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New doping-situation inside the WMF

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#723 Blondie (User) Name : Astra Miglane Stanwyck Member since : 10 Jan 2009 Number of posts : 42 Status : Offline	Posted : 19 Jan 2009 at 03:44 Tournament fee money usually goes to owners (tournament prize fund and sometimes to cover expenses related to business loss to tournament and practice). I would say most of the times tournament organizers- course owners spend their money to have the tournament as tournament fees do not cover all expenses. In order to attract players from all over the country we do need the prize money as it is associated with major travel expenses. I do not know if any clubs in other countries get government support or somekind of stimulus, here the owner do not have any support unless it is fundraiser for charity then local community sponsors kick in.\r\n Course owners do pay course owner membership fee but all the membership fees (owner and player)does not get us far.
#724 JJM (Admin) Name : John Mittler Member since : 13 Nov 2008 Number of posts : 365 Status : Offline	Posted : 19 Jan 2009 at 06:18 Most clubs in most countries get government support.\r\n\r\n(We are so nicely on a different topic that some admin might split this topic to a new, public discussion in some other forum section.)
#725 Blondie (User) Name : Astra Miglane Stanwyck Member since : 10 Jan 2009 Number of posts : 42 Status : Offline	Posted : 22 Jan 2009 at 03:51 Testing for beta blockers:\r\n1- beta blockers are not prohibited in minigolf\r\n2- beta blockers do not help to play, they make person very sluggish
#726 () Name : Member since : 30 Nov 1999 Number of posts : Status : Offline	Posted : 22 Jan 2009 at 06:19 Actually Astra, I would disagree with you in reference to Beta blockers not helping play. Beta blockers do provide assistance to some players playing because they are known to reduce anxiety and calm nerves which could help a player focus on the task at hand without getting too nervous. The IOC has banned the use of beta blockers by atheletes in the olympics.
#727 JJM (Admin) Name : John Mittler Member since : 13 Nov 2008 Number of posts : 365 Status : Offline	Posted : 22 Jan 2009 at 06:25 Hmmm.. beta-blockers not forbidden in minigolf? True, the WADA rules specifically list sports where beta-blockers are prohibited:\r\n\r\n\"aeronautic, FAI; archery (also prohibited out of competition), automobile, FIA; billiards, WCBS; boules, CMSB (0.20 g l−1); bridge, FMB; chess, FIDE; curling, WCF; gymnastics FIG, modern pentathlon, UIPM, for disciplines involving shooting; motorcycling, FIM; nine-pin bowling, FIQ; sailing, ISAF, for match race helms only; shooting, ISSF (also prohibited out of competition); skiing, FLS in ski jumping and free-style snow board; swimming, FINA, in diving and synchronized swimming; and wrestling, FILA.\"\r\n\r\nYep, minigolf is not mentioned on this list. Not because our sport is essentially different than the sports on the list.... our physical action is quite similar to shooting, billiards, curling and bowling.\r\n\r\nSimply because nobody cares or much knows about minigolf, and minigolfers have not bothered to tell the WADA world that hello, we exist, and our game is quite similar in nature to the games mentioned on this list.
#728 () Name : Member since : 30 Nov 1999 Number of posts : Status : Offline	Posted : 22 Jan 2009 at 16:56 I totally agree on the issue of takking medication for doping is just plain dumb and can yield serious consequences in the long run. Beta blockers are also banned from any motorized sport as they take the edge out of you which could help to increase concentration. I really do not see too many medications which could potentially increase performance in minigolf. This sport is really about polishing your putting skills and competing regularly to improve your coping sklills with tournament athmosphere. If you not have done this, nothing will help.
#729 Blondie (User) Name : Astra Miglane Stanwyck Member since : 10 Jan 2009 Number of posts : 42 Status : Offline	Posted : 22 Jan 2009 at 17:07 Hi Razor. There actually was a PGA player ( I do not remember name)who was put on beta blockers for health reasons and this totally screwed up his game as he was not able to get the concentration to the level he needed neither the sensitivity. Few years ago there was an article about that, possibly in Golf Digest. I think alcohol or antianxiety medication would work much better for this doping purpose and actually would a better doping then beta blocker. Alcohol in small doses increase ability to concentrate, in larger doses makes you more relaxed. Antianxiety medication calms you down without diminisheing your blood pressure, heart rate and catecholamines. To be succesfull in minigolf you need some level of controlled stress to achieve max. Beta blocker takes so much out of you plus decrease your physical endurance (official side effect of beta blocker) that it is lot more detrimental then helpful.
#730 () Name : Member since : 30 Nov 1999 Number of posts : Status : Offline	Posted : 22 Jan 2009 at 17:48 http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/08/16/sports/PGADRUGS.php?page=1\r\nLink to the article about PGA golfers experience with beta blockers (page 2).\r\nMeanwhile according to the newest PGA regulations, PGA players now are being tested for beta blockers.

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