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JJM (Admin)
Name : John Mittler Member since : 13 Nov 2008 Number of posts : 365 Status : Offline | Posted : 26 May 2009 at 09:29 Until now, the competition and results calendar of our website has included only four possible abbreviations for the playing system:\r\nB = beton\r\nE = eternite\r\nF = felt\r\nO = open system\r\n\r\nToday I added more abbreviations. Now the abbreviation for playing system (in the calendar or results) can be:\r\nA = adventure golf\r\nB = beton\r\nE = eternite\r\nF = felt\r\nI = Cobigolf\r\nO = other (open system)\r\nP = Putt-Putt\r\nS = Sterngolf\r\nZ = crazy golf\r\n\r\n(\"C\" is not used as the abbreviation of any system, because of possible confusion between Concrete, Crazy golf and Cobigolf.)\r\n\r\nAmerican competitions have been updated with the correct new abbreviations. British competitions not yet, because I am not sure which courses are Crazy golf and which are Adventure golf.\r\n\r\nWe will see what opinions and debates will arise about this new abbreviation policy.
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doctork (User)
Name : Keith Kellard Member since : 09 Feb 2009 Number of posts : 12 Status : Offline | Posted : 26 May 2009 at 09:57 That said, in essence it is a good idea to try to more accurately identify those events/courses currently classed as Open System
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Hans (Reporter)
Name : Hans Bergström Member since : 10 Nov 2008 Number of posts : 89 Status : Offline | Posted : 26 May 2009 at 10:01 I am missing artificial grass courses without walls like in Askim. That is the kind of MOS courses build by City Golf all over Europe right now.
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Hans (Reporter)
Name : Hans Bergström Member since : 10 Nov 2008 Number of posts : 89 Status : Offline | Posted : 26 May 2009 at 13:19 I definitively think that the courses that are made to be similar to golf greens are something else that Adventure Golf in general. This is more putting of 18 courses than adventure golf. Maybe \"Putting course\" or something similar could be used.
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JJM (Admin)
Name : John Mittler Member since : 13 Nov 2008 Number of posts : 365 Status : Offline | Posted : 26 May 2009 at 13:54 Google Image searches with \"putting course\" gave quite much the same results as a search with \"adventure golf\".\r\n\r\nhttp://www.golffusion.com/sah-hah-lee/images/pool/sah-hah-lee/Putting_Course_1_full.jpg\r\nhttp://www.haven.com/Images/de_adventureGolf_hl.jpg\r\nhttp://www.hsbresort.com/photogallery/galleries/marriotthotel/1_Whitewater%20Putting%20Course%20and%20Marriott%20Hotel.jpg\r\nhttp://www.southwestgreens.com/images/putting-course-design.jpg\r\nhttp://www.somersetcountyparks.org/activities/images/putt_course.jpg\r\nhttp://www.thegraphicweekly.com/assets/images/aug0207/features/Bestvaluegolf.jpg\r\nhttp://www.topgolf.co.uk/Images/Watford%20Pics/Adventure%20Golf%20002.jpg\r\nhttp://www.art-techgolf.com/images/courses/photo_5.jpg\r\n\r\nMinigolf in golf style, with a golf ball, is a distinctive game, which appeals to many players in the world (as we see in our vote too). I understand that all courses listed in the photos, and randomly named as \"putting course\" or \"adventure golf\" feel quite essentially the same game, for the players whose favourite game is golf-style minigolf.\r\n\r\nInventing a definition, which separates the courses in these sample photos into two categories, seems a bit artificial and unnecessary to me. This \"putting course\" is a good example: it is essentially a set of golf putting greens, but with brick walls included, to save people from the trouble of the ball rolling far away from the playing area. Walls are used in adventure golf to serve this practical purpose, not because the course designer wants to go away from 100% golf course style.\r\n\r\nhttp://www.southwestgreens.com/images/putting-course-design.jpg
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JJM (Admin)
Name : John Mittler Member since : 13 Nov 2008 Number of posts : 365 Status : Offline | Posted : 26 May 2009 at 17:02 These definitions are quite clear:\r\n\r\nP = Putt-Putt\r\nS = Sterngolf\r\nI (or C) = Cobigolf\r\n\r\n\"F\" = standard felt (possibly \"f\" = non-standard felt, with similar playability)\r\n\"E\" = standard eternite (possibly \"e\" = non-standard eternite, with similar playability)\r\n\"B\" = Bongni standard beton (possibly \"b\" = non-standard beton, with similar playability, like Sochi)\r\n\r\n----------\r\n\r\nWhat is left after these definitions (in active competition minigolf) are various freely designed minigolf courses with a soft carpet:\r\n\r\n- golf-style courses with non-symmetric design\r\n- symmetric courses\r\n\r\nwhich can be:\r\n- themed with fantasy obstacles\r\n- unthemed\r\n\r\nand can be played with:\r\n- golf ball only\r\n- one or more special balls
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JJM (Admin)
Name : John Mittler Member since : 13 Nov 2008 Number of posts : 365 Status : Offline | Posted : 26 May 2009 at 22:41 Yep, I repeat what I said earlier:\r\n\r\n\"Of essential interest are such playing systems, on which we can expect to see official minigolf tournaments (anywhere in the world), which could be mentioned in our news, calendar or results service. And which are so unique that we (or the players or tournament organizers) generally want to recognize this specific playing system with its own unique term, separating it from all other playing systems.\"\r\n\r\nI have no idea what Cobigolf is. I have some vague idea of what Sterngolf is. Yet I know that a clear definition for these systems exists somewhere, so I can refer to them with their own names, no matter how rare they may be.\r\n\r\nAdventure golf needs to be defined in some way, because it is one of the four favourite playing systems in competitive minigolf world, but nobody seems to have a clear definition for it.
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doctork (User)
Name : Keith Kellard Member since : 09 Feb 2009 Number of posts : 12 Status : Offline | Posted : 26 May 2009 at 23:05 ... or there are many clear definitions, but each of them unique to one, or a group, of individuals/clubs/organisations/%c.
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Olivia (User)
Name : Olivia Prokopova Member since : 11 Jan 2009 Number of posts : 14 Status : Offline | Posted : 27 May 2009 at 06:29 Good job!
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Hans (Reporter)
Name : Hans Bergström Member since : 10 Nov 2008 Number of posts : 89 Status : Offline | Posted : 27 May 2009 at 09:15 Since we are not getting actual proposals for the categories and definitions, I am leaning towards this solution (which can be changed later, if necessary):\r\n\r\n----------\r\n\r\nCompatibility with current WMF standards:\r\nB = WMF Bongni standard\r\nE = WMF eternite standard\r\nF = WMF felt standard\r\neverything else = WMF MOS standard\r\n\r\n----------\r\n\r\nMinigolf courses with a HARD playing surface (concrete, etc.):\r\n\r\nB = Bongni standard beton\r\nE = eternite (WMF standard)\r\nI = Cobigolf\r\nS = Sterngolf\r\nC = concrete = ANY OTHER minigolf course with a hard playing surface (Sochi, etc.)\r\n\r\n----------\r\n\r\nMinigolf courses with a SOFT playing surface (felt carpet, etc.):\r\n\r\nP = Putt-Putt\r\nF = felt (WMF standard)\r\nD = Dutch felt standard (such a thing exists, does it?)\r\nW = wooden frame courses = other felt courses with a regular wooden frame\r\nA = adventure golf = non-symmetric courses in natural style, no fantasy obstacles inside the playing area\r\nN = fantasy golf = ANY OTHER minigolf course with a soft playing surface\r\n\r\n----------\r\n\r\nSpecial competitions, unrelated to the type of minigolf course:\r\n\r\nZ = multi-ball crazy golf\r\n\r\n----------\r\n\r\nAs far as I can see, these categories cover all current practical needs of international minigolf. (Unless it is necessary to separate adventure golf with golf ball from adventure golf with special balls.) The names and abbreviations are as good and universally useful as I could think of. Someone might have better opinions.
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